Seedream 4.0 vs Lucid Origin
Preferred for text to image: Seedream 4.0 · Newest: Seedream 4.0 · Widest inputs: Seedream 4.0. Quality scores are blind human-preference votes; specs and prices come from each lab’s listings.
ByteDance Seed
Seedream 4.0
- Arena1,267
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- Max size—
Leonardo.Ai
Lucid Origin
- Arena1,013
- From—
- Max size—
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Where they differ
Quality is the arena score from blind, side-by-side human votes. Price, length and resolution come from each lab’s own listings.
- Preferred for text to imageSeedream 4.0Seedream 4.0 1,139 (#40) · Lucid Origin 1,013 (#75) — blind human votes
- NewestSeedream 4.0Seedream 4.0 Sep 9, 2025 · Lucid Origin Jun 1, 2025
- Widest inputsSeedream 4.0Seedream 4.0: Text prompts, Reference images · Lucid Origin: Text prompts
- Image editingSeedream 4.0Takes a reference image as input: Seedream 4.0 yes · Lucid Origin no
- Self-hostingNo open weightsBoth are available only through APIs and apps
- Most API hostsSame reachSeedream 4.0: 1 · Lucid Origin: 1
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| Specification | Lucid OriginLeonardo.Ai | |
|---|---|---|
| Quality (blind human votes) | ||
| Text to image arenaElo-style score · higher is better | 1,139 ±7#40 of 82 · 12,563 votes (best) | 1,013 ±3#75 of 82 · 287,340 votes |
| Image editing arenaElo-style score · higher is better | 1,267 ±7#34 of 61 · 210,031 votes | — |
| Output | ||
| Produces | Images | Images |
| Inputs | ||
| Text prompts | Yes | Yes |
| Reference images (editing) | Yes | No |
| Access | ||
| Weights | Proprietary | Proprietary |
| API hosts | 1 | 1 |
| Released | Sep 9, 2025 | Jun 1, 2025 |
Which should you choose?
Which is better, Seedream 4.0 or Lucid Origin?
For text to image, voters prefer Seedream 4.0 (Seedream 4.0 1,139 (#40) · Lucid Origin 1,013 (#75)). Arena scores come from blind, side-by-side human votes on the same prompts; when the gap is inside both models’ error margins we call it a tie. Test your own prompts before you commit.
What is the difference between Seedream 4.0 and Lucid Origin?
Seedream 4.0 is an image model from ByteDance Seed (Sep 9, 2025), taking text prompts and reference images and producing images. Lucid Origin is an image model from Leonardo.Ai (Jun 1, 2025), taking text prompts and producing images.
Which is newer?
Seedream 4.0 Sep 9, 2025; Lucid Origin Jun 1, 2025.
Which can edit an existing image?
Takes a reference image as input: Seedream 4.0 yes; Lucid Origin no.
Can I run any of these on my own hardware?
No open weights. Both are available only through APIs and apps.