Hermes 2 Pro Llama 3 8B vs Hermes 3 70B Instruct vs Qwen Plus Character (Japanese)
Hermes 2 Pro Llama 3 8B comes out ahead, 51 to 32 and 27 on our weighted score, and it is the cheaper option too.
- Our pick
Nous ResearchHermes 2 Pro Llama 3 8B
51/100- ECI—
- Price$0.14 / $0.14
- Context8K
- Nous Research
Hermes 3 70B Instruct
32/100- ECI—
- Price$0.70 / $0.70
- Context131K
Alibaba (Qwen)Qwen Plus Character (Japanese)
27/100- ECI—
- Price$0.50 / $1.40
- Context8K
Hermes 2 Pro Llama 3 8B is our pick
Hermes 2 Pro Llama 3 8B is the better all-round choice, scoring 51/100 against Hermes 3 70B Instruct (32) and Qwen Plus Character (Japanese) (27). It leads on price and inputs & features. Hermes 3 70B Instruct wins on context window. The score weighs price 50%, inputs & features 30%, context window 20%. None of the shared benchmarks cover every model here yet, so capability is left out of this verdict.
- CapabilityNot enough dataNo independent benchmark covers every model here yet
- Lowest priceHermes 2 Pro Llama 3 8BHermes 2 Pro Llama 3 8B $0.14 · Hermes 3 70B Instruct $0.70 · Qwen Plus Character (Japanese) $0.725 per 1M tokens (3:1 blend)
- Longest contextHermes 3 70B InstructHermes 3 70B Instruct 131,072 · Hermes 2 Pro Llama 3 8B 8,192 · Qwen Plus Character (Japanese) 8,192 tokens
- Widest inputsSame inputsHermes 2 Pro Llama 3 8B: Text · Hermes 3 70B Instruct: Text · Qwen Plus Character (Japanese): Text
- Self-hostingHermes 2 Pro Llama 3 8B and Hermes 3 70B InstructPublishes downloadable weights (Llama 3 Community License)
| Measure | Weight | Hermes 2 Pro Llama 3 8B | Hermes 3 70B Instruct | Qwen Plus Character (Japanese) |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Price | 50% | 87 | 55 | 54 |
| Inputs & features | 30% | 25 | 0 | 0 |
| Context window | 20% | 0 | 25 | 0 |
| Overall | 100% | 51/100 | 32/100 | 27/100 |
Left out because at least one model lacks the data: capability. The remaining weights were rescaled.
Every spec in one table
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| Specification | Hermes 2 Pro Llama 3 8BNous Research | Hermes 3 70B InstructNous Research | Qwen Plus Character (Japanese)Alibaba (Qwen) |
|---|---|---|---|
| Capability | |||
| Capabilities Index (ECI) | — | — | — |
| ECI rank | — | — | — |
| Price per million tokens | |||
| Input | $0.14 (best) | $0.70 | $0.50 |
| Output | $0.14 (best) | $0.70 | $1.40 |
| Cached input | — | — | — |
| Blended (3:1) | $0.14 (best) | $0.70 | $0.725 |
| Long-context rate | Same rate | Same rate | Same rate |
| Price source | Median of 2 providers | Median of 5 providers | Official Alibaba API |
| Limits | |||
| Context window | 8,192 tokens | 131,072 tokens (best) | 8,192 tokens |
| Max output | 8,192 tokens | 16,384 tokens (best) | 512 tokens |
| Inputs and features | |||
| Text | Yes | Yes | Yes |
| Images | No | No | No |
| PDFs | No | No | No |
| Audio | No | No | No |
| Video | No | No | No |
| Reasoning | No | No | No |
| Tool calling | Yes | No | No |
| Structured output | No | No | No |
| Availability | |||
| Weights | OpenLlama 3 Community License | Open | Proprietary |
| API model ID | — | — | qwen-plus-character-ja |
| API providers | 2 | 5 (best) | 1 |
| Released | Apr 30, 2024 | Aug 18, 2024 | Jan 2024 |
| Knowledge cutoff | — | Dec 31, 2023 | Apr 2024 |
What would a month cost?
Enter your expected volume in millions of tokens. List prices only; caching and batch discounts would lower these.
- Hermes 2 Pro Llama 3 8B$1.68
- Hermes 3 70B Instruct$8.40
- Qwen Plus Character (Japanese)$7.80
Which should you choose?
Which is better: Hermes 2 Pro Llama 3 8B, Hermes 3 70B Instruct or Qwen Plus Character (Japanese)?
Hermes 2 Pro Llama 3 8B is the better all-round choice, scoring 51/100 against Hermes 3 70B Instruct (32) and Qwen Plus Character (Japanese) (27). It leads on price and inputs & features. Hermes 3 70B Instruct wins on context window. The score weighs price 50%, inputs & features 30%, context window 20%. None of the shared benchmarks cover every model here yet, so capability is left out of this verdict.
Which is cheaper, Hermes 2 Pro Llama 3 8B, Hermes 3 70B Instruct or Qwen Plus Character (Japanese)?
Hermes 2 Pro Llama 3 8B is cheaper at $0.14 input / $0.14 output per million tokens (median across 2 API providers). Hermes 3 70B Instruct costs $0.70 input / $0.70 output per million tokens (median across 5 API providers); Qwen Plus Character (Japanese) costs $0.50 input / $1.40 output per million tokens (official Alibaba API price). At a typical mix of three input tokens to one output token, that is $0.14 per million tokens for Hermes 2 Pro Llama 3 8B versus $0.70 for Hermes 3 70B Instruct (5× as much) and $0.725 for Qwen Plus Character (Japanese) (5.2× as much).
Which scores higher on benchmarks?
There is no independent benchmark that covers all three models yet. Hermes 2 Pro Llama 3 8B has not been scored yet, Hermes 3 70B Instruct has not been scored yet and Qwen Plus Character (Japanese) has not been scored yet.
Which is better for coding?
There are no published SWE-bench Verified results for Hermes 2 Pro Llama 3 8B, Hermes 3 70B Instruct and Qwen Plus Character (Japanese) yet, so there is no like-for-like coding score. Test both on a sample of your own tasks. Note that Hermes 3 70B Instruct and Qwen Plus Character (Japanese) does not support tool calling, which most coding agents need.
Which has the bigger context window?
Hermes 3 70B Instruct has the largest context window at 131,072 tokens, against 8,192 for Hermes 2 Pro Llama 3 8B and 8,192 for Qwen Plus Character (Japanese). Maximum output per response: Hermes 2 Pro Llama 3 8B up to 8,192, Hermes 3 70B Instruct up to 16,384, Qwen Plus Character (Japanese) up to 512 tokens.
Which can read images, PDFs, audio or video?
Hermes 2 Pro Llama 3 8B accepts text; Hermes 3 70B Instruct accepts text; Qwen Plus Character (Japanese) accepts text. They handle the same number of input types.
Are any of these open source?
Hermes 2 Pro Llama 3 8B and Hermes 3 70B Instruct publishes its weights (Llama 3 Community License) and can be self-hosted; Qwen Plus Character (Japanese) is proprietary.
Which is newer?
Hermes 3 70B Instruct is the newest, released Aug 18, 2024. Hermes 2 Pro Llama 3 8B came out Apr 30, 2024; Qwen Plus Character (Japanese) came out Jan 2024. Knowledge cutoff: Hermes 3 70B Instruct Dec 31, 2023, Qwen Plus Character (Japanese) Apr 2024.
How do you decide the winner?
Each model gets a 0–100 score on capability (50%, independent benchmark results); price (25%, blended price per million tokens (3 input : 1 output), log scale); inputs & features (15%, image, PDF, audio and video input, tool calling, structured output and reasoning); context window (10%, maximum tokens per request, log scale). Dimensions missing for any model are dropped and the remaining weights rescaled, so every model is judged on the same evidence. Specs and prices come from public model listings and the labs’ own API pages; capability scores come from independent benchmark runs. Data updated Nov 2, 2026.
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